Memorandum #05-10: PDF 21MB Adoption of the Proposed Regulations Governing the Management of Waste Tires; Consideration of Business Impact Statement Continued from March 25, 2010 meeting
Chair Giunchigliani declared the public hearing open.
The following is a verbatim transcription of the continued public hearing concerning Memorandum #05-10.
Dr. Sands: Memorandum #05-10, this is adoption of the proposed regulations governing the management of waste tires, consideration of business impact statement. This is continued from the March 25, 2010 Board meeting. And back again are Dennis Campbell and Ed Wynder from our environmental health division.
Chair Giunchigliani: Dennis, I think you were in the film, too.
Dennis Campbell: Yes, I was. Well, we’re back for round two of waste tire regs. As you know they were presented to the Board last time, but for a variety of reasons we’re back again. , So, what I’d like to do to begin with, for those Board members that missed the last Board meeting, is give you a quick refresher of why we’re here. (attachment #1 PDF) Basically this all started because of Senate Bill 186, which was passed by the legislature in the last legislative session, signed by Governor Gibbons on May 28, 2009; became effective on October 1, 2009 and has recently been codified into the NRS 444.505, 507 and 509. Basically what this Bill does is significant in the fact that it’s the first piece of legislation passed in the state that bans a recyclable material, in this case waste tires, from municipal solid waste landfills. One of the provisions in the Senate Bill was that in any local health jurisdiction that has permitted a waste tire management facility, had to develop a set of regulations dealing with the management of waste tires Also a provision of the Bill was that since we have already permitted two of these types of facilities in Clark County, the disposal of waste tires in municipal solid waste landfills is now banned.
(Member Boutin left the meeting at 10:05am)
So any waste tire generated in Clark County cannot be disposed of in a municipal solid waste landfill in the state. With that and based on the discussion held in the last Board of Health meeting, we’ve had a couple of meetings, went over a number of issues that were raised during the last meeting, and we resolved most of those issues. With me today, again, is Ed Wynder – he’s my regulation writer, he’s been living and breathing this set of regulations since last May.
(Member Christensen returned and was seated at 10:06am)
So I’m going to turn the microphone over to him and he can talk about our, the solutions that we’ve reached.
Edward Wynder: Thank you, Dennis; members of the Board. Happy Earth Day.
Chair Giunchigliani: Yes.
Mr. Wynder: Very appropriate…
Chair Giunchigliani: This is a good day for this. Yes, yes.
Mr. Wynder: …that we’re presenting these waste tire regulations today, April 22nd. There were a number, I think concerns is probably a little too strong of a word, but the regulations as proposed previously as largely intact with a few concerns of industry that have since has been resolved. And if you look on the slide in front of you, three of those concerns were: the definition of processing, which we have agreed to leave intact as proposed; the concern that they had about putting in a provision that prevent disposal outside of the health district, they have…I guess we’ve come to agreement to leave it as is; and the financial assurance requirements have also been left as is with support of industry.
Member Barlow: Before you move forward, Madam Chair…
(Member Boutin returned and was seated at 10:10am)
Chair Giunchigliani: Mm-hmm, Ricki.
Member Barlow: …I have a question in regards to item #2, lawful disposal outside the health district. Can you elaborate on that and explain what does that represent…what that represents?
Mr. Wynder: Yes sir, I’d be happy to.
Mr. Campbell: I’ll answer that. In the Senate Bill and in the provisions of the NRS now there is a specific provision written into the legislation that said any regulations developed by the health district could not prevent the lawful disposal of a waste tire outside of our jurisdiction. So in other words, if there was a facility in another jurisdiction that would allow the disposal of a waste tire in a recycling center, a landfill, or whatever it is, our regulations could not prevent that lawful disposal.
Chair Giunchigliani: Bless you.
Mr. Campbell: Our regulations only focus on how we handle waste tires within Clark County. And that was very specific in the Senate Bill and now part of the NRS.
Member Barlow: So only Clark County?
Mr. Campbell: That’s correct.
Mr. Wynder: And industry had hoped to, or had suggested that we consider limiting exports of tires outside of Clark County only to recyclers and it was our position that we could limit it only to recyclers – we couldn’t limit to anyone, to any type of facility so long as the facility was lawfully permitted locally. So for example a landfill in Utah might accept tires and in order to save costs a waste tire generator may elect to ship tires to that landfill in Clark County, I’m sorry in Utah…
Member Barlow: That’s alright.
Mr. Wynder: …under their suggestion, the regulations would have prohibited that because the landfill in Utah, for example, was not recycling them; however it’s our understanding and our opinion that the prohibition that Dennis spoke to would not allow us to prohibit that lawful disposal if it was lawful in Utah to do that. And industry has agreed with us and has returned that suggestion.
Member Barlow: So in essence we can forward those tires to a Utah set-up for them to do what they will.
Mr. Wynder: If it is locally permitted and lawful, we can’t prohibit that.
Member Barlow: OK. Thank you.
Chair Giunchigliani: And it might be revisited next session, I think part of this was getting this off the ground and see what happens and what the impact is, because I don’t want any more trucks trucking tires back to California as far as I’m concerned, and tears up our roadways…we’d rather keep our industry here. But this will be the first one getting off the ground. And then the Pic-A-Part had some issues and that was resolved as well? Warren’s nodding his head yes. OK. So those three. Go ahead, you had some additional…
Mr. Wynder: And then we had some revisions. We revised the definition of waste tire, we’ve revised slightly the definition of solid waste, and we’ve revised slightly the landfill ban
Chair Giunchigliani: Right.
Mr. Wynder: This is the new proposed definition of waste tire and it is shorted and a little less convoluted that then previous one, and it encompasses the motor vehicle term that industry wanted and goes a little bit beyond that so that we make sure that we have jurisdiction over waste tires without any doubt. Secondly, the definition of solid waste, the term “crumb rubber” was removed from that and in lieu of that we’ve added this sentence to the end of the proposed, the previous proposed definition. And this uses terminology that existing in state regulation in the NAC and it says: “for the purposes of these regulations a waste tire, and material derived from a waste tire, is solid waste until it is returned to the economic maintain stream in the form of raw materials or products.” So essentially until, until it departs and is used by industry we retain jurisdiction over it.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK, but then the crumb rubber can be used for the purposes of asphalting and so on? OK.
Mr. Wynder: Absolutely.
Member Jones: Now does that resolve the issue of crumb rubber being a waste that needed to be a part of the financing of recovery. Let’s say the business went out of business?
Mr. Wynder: No, sir. That would…crumb rubber is still covered underneath the financial assurance requirements in that the financial assurance requirements required by a tire recycler would include whatever end product they have up until it is used.
Member Jones: Seems like one of their issues was the crumb rubber that they may have produced on site, they did not want to have to have financial backing for…
Mr. Wynder: You’ve got a very good memory. Indeed that was one of their concerns and we met with them at length about that and we’ve come to a resolution of that concern and what we’ve agreed with them in principle on is to…is that they will apply for an exemption from this Board in that they will provide legally binding contracts for sale for the crumb rubber that they have on site. And in exchange for having a financial assurance document to cover, or mechanism to cover that portion. And the rest of what they have on site, including the tire wire, the tire fluff, all the tires that they have on site will all be covered by that financial assurance mechanism.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK, thank you. Linda has a question.
Member Strickland: A just have a question. I’m going to take you back to the previous slide, the waste tire…so in our previous discussion I remember that one of my concerns was we have all these other kinds of tires, like ATV tires and motorcycles and other types. So this is now going to cover all of that, correct?
Mr. Wynder: Well, this definition will and we’ll speak to that a little bit more…
Member Strickland: OK.
Mr. Wynder: …and I…when we come to the landfill ban.
Member Strickland: Alright, thank you.
Member Hardy: I mean, if I can interject…
Chair Giunchigliani: Yes, doctor.
Member Hardy: …you used the word motor vehicle and a bicycle has a tire that’s not a motor vehicle.
Member Strickland: I meant motorcycle tire.
Member Hardy: I mean, but no he said…
Member Strickland: OK.
Member Hardy: …motor vehicle.
Mr. Wynder: Yes.
Chair Giunchigliani: A bicycle is considered a vehicle under state law and that’s why they had to comply, supposedly, with vehicle laws.
Member Hardy: But it’s not a motor vehicle. So…
Mr. Wynder: Correct.
Member Hardy: …are bicycle tires in this or not?
Mr. Wynder: A bicycle tire would be considered a waste tire; however this definition, and I know there’s a little bit of nuance here, but in the landfill ban, which again we’ll come to a little bit later, bicycle tires are exempted.
Member Strickland: OK.
Mr. Wynder: So, Johnny’s bicycle tire, he can throw in his nearest garbage can.
Member Hardy: Yeah, and you’re never going to be able to get those…
Mr. Wynder: Yeah, and we have no intention of trying.
Member Hardy: Thank you.
Chair Giunchigliani: Only the ones that RTC gives out for their award. Go ahead.
Mr. Wynder: OK. And I guess we’ll go right into the landfill ban then. The landfill ban is basically set up in two ways. We have pneumatic tires that can be recycled in Clark County into usable products may not go to the landfill in any form. A pneumatic tire is a tire, be it a bicycle tire, a car tire that takes air pressure in order to operate – these are the tires that cause problems at landfills. And if that tire can be recycled locally it cannot go to the landfill and there are notable exemptions for that including bicycle tires, golf cart tires and off-road vehicle tires. That would include mining equipment tires as well as ATV tires and dirt-bike tires. However street-legal motorcycle tires would be included in this ban.
Member Strickland: And what’s the purpose of the exemption of the ATV and off-road motorcycle tires?
Mr. Wynder: The purpose of the exemption was to not create a burden for residents and individuals who do their own maintenance of their own off-road vehicles.
Member Barlow: And bicycles.
Mr. Wynder: And it certainly could be removed and/or an individual operator could elect not to accept those sorts of tires. My…but that was the reason behind it.
Member Strickland: OK.
Member Boutin: I toured a tire manufacturing plant in Boulder City called Ameri-Tire which produces a polyurethane tire, mostly for golf carts. So would that product, that material be accepted or banned from the landfill?
Mr. Wynder: Now I spoke to them while we were drafting these regulations and according to my understanding of the product that they are manufacturing, which I understand is still in the design stage, it would not be applicable because they operate without the need of compressed gas. Basically they’re not pneumatic tires…
Member Boutin: OK.
Mr. Wynder: …and so they wouldn’t be included.
Member Boutin: Thank you.
Member Barlow: Madam chair?
Chair Giunchigliani: Didn’t we just allow that other regulation, they take refrigerators and polyurethane…I’ll have to go back…yes, Mr. Barlow.
Member Barlow: Would you mind just explaining “pneumatic?”
Mr. Wynder: Yes. A “pneumatic…”a “pneumatic tools” are tools that use air power or like it’s used at tire shops to remove the nut, you know the bolts from the wheels. Well, pneumatic tires are tires that you have to put air into. There are solid tires that are just solid rubber…they are not used except on construction equipment…
Member Barlow: Right.
Mr. Wynder: …but our automobile tires, they’re pneumatic because they require air pressure. Our motorcycle tires, our ATV tires are pneumatic because they require air pressure.
Member Barlow: Bicycle?
Mr. Wynder: Yes, sir.
Member Barlow: OK. Thank you.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK?
Mr. Wynder: So if a tire, the pneumatic tire can be recycled locally as a reusable product it may not go to the landfill. If it is a pneumatic tire that cannot be recycled locally, it can be placed in a landfill but only after it has been properly processed to the point where it no longer presents an operational problem at the landfill, and this is the standard that has been adopted in other places, most notably California. That would include cutting the tire in four pieces, having sidewalls removed, and essentially that would prevent the tire 1) from when it’s being dumped from bouncing around and being a hazard to the employees at the landfill and 2) from capturing the gas that’s produced in the landfill and rising up to the top of the landfill over time. So this method of processing would prevent that from happening. So as proposed, these regulations meet all legal requirements and we feel that the compromises are common sense and we feel that these regulations will protect the public health, the safety and the environment and encourage recycling. Thank you.
Member Strickland: Could you please go back to the last slide, I didn’t get to digest it. Thank you.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK. There’s a standard…so they don’t percolate up, which was part…
Mr. Wynder: That’s correct.
Chair Giunchigliani: …of the comment. OK. Stavros?
Member Anthony: What’s an example of a pneumatic tire that can’t be recycled locally?
Mr. Wynder: Well, any tire above the size of a semi-truck tire essentially cannot be. We…there’s not that many. Basically it’s heavy equipment tires more than anything else.
Member Anthony. Mm-hmm.
Member Barlow: Your Caterpillar tires.
Mr. Wynder: Yes, sir.
Member Anthony: Why can’t those be recycled?
Mr. Wynder: It’s an infrastructure, not infrastructure, but it’s the size of the tire they can put in the shredders…
Member Anthony: Oh, they don’t have machines that…
Mr. Wynder: Correct. Correct.
Member Anthony: So…
Chair Giunchigliani: Ms. Strickland?
Member Strickland: Well I understand this, what this slide says that’s in front of us and I understand the safety issue when it comes to the landfill, but if we’re talking about trying to recycle and keep things out of our landfill, giving them this option that makes it something that they can now put in our landfill, it doesn’t seem to be addressing that issue. I mean we’re still going to get this things in our landfill and we’re still going to have them…they’re still not going to be recycling them. So what’s the…why do we have this exemption here?
Mr. Wynder: Well, the Senate Bill required us to ban the landfilling of passenger car tires and these regulations as proposed go beyond that. What we wanted to is we wanted to ensure that there is an economic way to get rid of tires that can’t be processed locally so that the burden of, the burden to properly dispose of these tires is kept to a minimum, while to the best of our ability encouraging recycling. We would like to see all tires recycled. At the same time, staff hesitated to put in a ban that was so broad as to perhaps in some future unforeseen circumstance become burdensome. Now we certainly could and then we could allow for the exemption and waiver provisions that are in the regulations to account for future unforeseen situations that might be burdensome. We thought that we would include this to, as a protection to, from something like that. So we didn’t get to a place where sending them to California or to another recycler when they couldn’t be recycled locally became so expensive so that we ended up having tires beside the road or what have you.
Member Strickland: But we do know, at least I thought we had a company that’s here in the Vegas valley that does the crumb rubber stuff and these can be processed locally, right?
Mr. Wynder: Yes, ma’am, and those that can be may not go to the landfill under any circumstance without this Board granting an exemption or a waiver.
Member Strickland: Right. So even when they do this, when they cut the four pieces and the sidewalls removed and all that kind of thing, they can still go to the crumb rubber people, right?
Mr. Wynder: They can still go to the crumb rubber people. Well, I won’t speak for them because it may be that if a certain type of tire regardless, maybe it has too much metal or something, they might not be able to process it. But if it’s a tire that they can normally process, then regardless of what the generator does, that generator cannot landfill that tire.
Member Strickland: Right. And so I guess that I’m confused when you said that one of the purposes of this is because it’s to resolve the situations where it can’t be processed locally and if some of these can be processed locally then I still don’t understand the reason for the exemption because if they can go some other place even if they do these things to it.
Chair Giunchigliani: Right, because if they’re cut up then they should still be able to do it here, so it’s kind of a backwards approach. I mean, I appreciate what you’re doing but…
Mr. Wynder: I guess if I understand you correctly, you’re looking at a situation where the tire whole might not be able to be processed but if they were to process it and then put it into the existing process from the recycler are those the types of tires you’re talking about?
Chair Giunchigliani: Yes.
Member Strickland: Yeah. And also I think that you said that, I mean, regular tires can…the way I read this…can have these things done to them and then they can be put in the landfill and you had said that you put this in there because it was to deal with the situation where you had tires that couldn’t be processed directly. But if some of these can be processed directly then why would you give them an exemption? It seems like we’re taking tires that could be recycled, they could be processed…we’re given them an exemption to do these things and now they’re going back in the landfill.
Member Crowley: There was a section in there that said that cannot be processed locally…
Member Strickland: Mm-hmm.
Member Crowley: …that’s important because if they can’t be processed…
Member Strickland: Then they can do this.
Member Crowley: …then they can do this.
Member Strickland: OK, so these are only for tires that can’t be processed.
Mr. Wynder: That’s correct.
Member Strickland: Gotcha.
Chair Giunchigliani: Back to the other part. OK.
Member Jones: If it can be processed, it must be processed.
Member Strickland: Right. Gotcha.
Mr. Campbell: I think the other thing is we need to remember, too, is the there was a provision in the Senate Bill and now in the NRS that said any facility, any waste tire management facility that is permitted by the health district cannot refuse to accept a waste tire. So if somebody was to bring them a tire, without this provision, , they couldn’t reject it, so then they’re stuck with a tire that they can’t handle. So by adding this provision in, that gives them an option option to say OK, we can take these tires, but we can’t handle these other tires.
Member Strickland: OK, thanks for the clarification.
Chair Giunchigliani: Thank you. It helps me. So in our franchise agreements do we need to now go back in and make it clear what they can, because we have a recycling committee made up of all the jurisdictions that’s going to have its first meeting in a couple weeks and we’re going to look at the franchise agreements so maybe I better put that to an agenda.
Mr. Wynder: We’ve met, there’s a monthly meeting with all the franchise directors from all the municipalities that we’ve attended to brief them on a couple months ago. We’d be happy to go back and discuss this if that is appropriate.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK. Great.
Member Barlow: Madam Chair?
Chair Giunchigliani: Did you…doctor and then…
Member Hardy: Thank you. So what if economically speaking a processor got in a position where they can’t sell their product, the crumb rubber or whatever, and so they fall under the definition of a tire that can’t be reprocessed because economically they can’t reprocess it and sell it so now we don’t have anywhere we can put the recycled tire that can’t be put anywhere else.
Mr. Wynder: Well if the tire cannot be recycled locally, there is under the landfill ban, it could be processed and placed in the landfill which we all understand is not ideal. And so the landfill ban in one way takes care of that. There is a second provision that we’ve put in there where if a tire recycler becomes unable to accept the tires for whatever reason in the short term the Southern Nevada Health District can declare, can place some of these regulations, any or some of these regulations on hold until the next Board hearing and then the Board can decide how to proceed from there.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK.
Mr. Campbell: The other thing that you need to remember, too, is that the landfill ban only applies to municipal solid waste landfills, which are Class I landfills and there are only three in Clark County –Apex, Boulder City and Laughlin. The landfill ban does not apply to Class III landfills. Currently we have nine Class III landfills in Clark County, but none of them are permitted to accept waste tires. The only Class III landfill permitted to accept waste tires is actually in Lincoln County, Western Elite.
Member Hardy: We talked about Utah and sending tires up to Utah…
Mr. Campbell: That’s correct. I believe Ms. Fairchild asked at last Board meeting asked about where they can take tires from Mesquite, because their landfill is actually in Lincoln County, just over the county line, so we have no jurisdiction. However because waste tires are generated in Clark County from Mesquite, they can’t go to their landfill,.. There is a landfill in St. George, Washington County landfill, that is permitted to accept waste tires. It’s actually a tire recycler, too, I believe. So that’s an alternate they can use. The only thing is they can’t take them to their own landfill.
Member Hardy: By converse, there’s a state next to us that is bigger than Utah, that has more tires that it…can they bring their tires to here and we can’t refuse them?
Mr. Wynder: Well, at this point with regard to the legal aspect, if that’s a legal question I’ll refer that to legal counsel, I know that one of the tire recyclers working in town, they don’t actually process them in town they pick them up – they’re called Lakin Tire, they take them (and they’re a national recycler of tires), they take them down to their facility in California and at this point they are importing a portion of their shredded tire to be processed locally by Phoenix in order to satisfy their demand, the demand for crumb rubber that Phoenix has. So there are waste tires coming in right now in the form of shredded tires. As so the legal portion of that question, I will punt.
Stephen Smith: I’m sorry, can you repeat the question so I can be sure I understood it?
Member Hardy: Not to name California in a public meeting to create ire, but if some other state brought their tires to Nevada are we in a position where we are obligated to take them and do something with them?
Mr. Smith: Yes and that involves both our statute regulations and the commerce clause issues and it’s rather complicated and involved. I know you cannot…there’ve been cases dealing with garbage where you cannot prohibit garbage from another state…
Member Hardy: And that’s where I’m going with this. If we write our regulations so it puts us in a box that we’re not able to control our borders is there a fix to that?
Mr. Smith: I’m presuming in addressing your question that a tire recycler or transporter or whatever, bringing tires from California to Nevada would have to comply with our regulations and our law, too. So if they came here they would have to comply. I don’t believe that we could do an outright ban, but we could set conditions under which the tires would be accepted, recycled, placed in the landfill, whatever. And that’s what this law addresses. An outright ban, no. Conditions, yes.
Member Hardy: So do we have conditions in this regulation that allow us to make, to assure ourselves that we don’t end up having more tires that can’t be recycled, that we don’t need to recycle, cut in four places and add to our landfill burden?
Mr. Smith: Regulations apply to everyone in Clark County, regardless of where they originate.
Chair Giunchigliani: Wouldn’t it come down to who could accept it though, and I think that’s where you’re going, and I think we may have closed that loophole. Technically I’d rather not see them taking them out to California then we don’t have the manufacturing capability, so I think that was a triangle we were…
Member Boutin: Well what do we do with our semi-truck tires. I mean you said there was no equipment to shred and recycle those, so do they just go straight into a landfill?
Mr. Wynder: Since Phoenix Recycling opened up, they have begun to be recycled in earnest. Prior and up to today, most tractor/trailer tires, most semi-truck tires are actually recapped so they shave off the outer most layer and they put on new tread and then the tires are reused. And that’s from a sustainability point of view, that’s the ideal thing to do. And so the vast majority, that’s what’s done. The rest of them, to my knowledge, are being recycled.
Member Hardy: And that’s why we see the remains the road.
Mr. Wynder: That’s correct.
Chair Giunchigliani: And that’s the other thing that we ought to be taking a look at, our street sweepers, our public works, or our state NDOT goes around and picks those up, where does that material go? I’ll have to remember to ask about that. Ricky, I’m sorry, you were next. We all kind of floated here a little bit.
Member Barlow: No, I was listening to that law and I actually forgot, I need to write it down.
Chair Giunchigliani: But you’re too young for that.
Glenn Savage: Madam Chair?
Chair Giunchigliani: Yes?
Mr. Savage: If I could help maybe with Dr. Hardy?
Chair Giunchigliani: Who are you?
Mr. Savage: Glenn Savage, environmental health director. One safeguard that we do have is that in the instance of Phoenix Industries and Lunas and others who receive permits from the Board of Health, there are capacity issues, issues concerning the fire and safety so that we do have safeguards in place so that you don’t get a lot of tires coming in from California and they end up, again, causing a fire issue. We had a warehouse being dumped in an open lot, if you will, that’s why we have those conditions. So that’s part of our safeguards. As far as providing a resource that might be used for manufacturing or something that could be a good thing for the community if we could do that…
Chair Giunchigliani: And maybe down…we would take a look at what happens with the cleanup of the rubber that’s just peeled off on our roadways and maybe see if there’s a place to, where we can get together somehow from the jurisdictions, because we each have…I know the City does, you have a company that does your street sweeping, we do, and I’m not sure what NDOT does, but maybe that’s just something down the road that we can take a look at…
Mr. Savage: Yeah, again, Madam Chair, Glenn Savage. In conversations with IDOT and others in the past, they do collect it. A lot of times it will go to a central area in the jurisdiction and then it will end up going to the landfill.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK, so maybe we can take a look at that to divert it from the landfill. That would be another place. OK. Mr. Barlow do you recall?
Member Barlow: No, I’m good.
Chair Giunchigliani: Is there anyone else that wishes to testify on this? Good morning.
Warren Hardy: Thank you, Madam Chair. Warren Hardy representing SA Recycling and Nevada Pic-A-Part. I would be remiss if I didn’t stand and just thank you, the Board and your staff. As I mentioned at the last meeting, I’ve been doing this for a long time and I do not recall a staff that did more to reach out to the affected parties. And I particularly want to recognize Mr. Wynder because he just really went above and beyond. I think if he doesn’t get another call from me in twenty years it will be too soon. But extremely responsive. And you know I think what you did on here, it is an extension of what was intended by the legislature, but I think it’s appropriate one. I also want to recognize Senator Copening for her work on this. I’m actually pleased to have been a co-sponsor of this bill and one of the challenges when you deal with this type of legislation and these types of regulations is how you do something aggressive, good for the public…if it doesn’t compel people to dump illegally…and I think you’ve hit on something here that is going to be very effective but not compel people to dump illegally. But again, I just want would be remiss if I didn’t thank the Board, again, for your responsiveness to the concerns of the industry. But particularly, your staff, because they went way above and beyond the call of duty. Thank you.
Chair Giunchigliani: Thank you for those comments, Warren. Is there anyone else who wishes to testify? OK, we’ll close the public hearing. And I do say, from a business perspective the comments I’ve always heard about the agency it’s one of the least bureaucratic and thinks differently so I commend you all for the time…but in the long run we’ve got a good product and I think that was the whole goal. So, on behalf of the Board thank you for your due diligence as well. Is there a motion to accept the regulations with the amendments that have been proposed?
Member Jones: So moved.
Chair Giunchigliani: So moved? And second?
Member Strickland: Second.
Chair Giunchigliani: OK. All those in favor say “aye.”
Board members: Aye.
Chair Giunchigliani: Opposed? Motion carries.
Member Crowley: I just wondered if you closed the public hearing.
Chair Giunchigliani: I think I…did I close the public hearing?
Member Fairchild: Yes, you did.
Chair Giunchigliani: Thank you. I always need people to help me.